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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
		<link>http://drchip.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/disagreements/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I claimed that it was a &quot;cheap shot&quot;, and you know exactly what that means (again using your  technique of &quot;I don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re saying&quot; to signal low regard). As stated, &quot;&lt;i&gt;doctors factually are far down the chain in the etiology of nosocomial infections, having far less personal contact with patients than that of hospital employees.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; Even if your bias convinces you that the story is true, it is not &quot;&lt;em&gt;relevant to (your) post&lt;/em&gt;&quot; because it doesn&#039;t accurately illustrate anything about nosocomial infections, and serves only to further your bias that doctors are arrogant individuals. You would like to hear from others because you are anxious to employ &lt;b&gt;confirmation bias&lt;/b&gt;, instead of examining the bias that is already obvious. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://drchip.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/bias-on-the-hoof-hanson-and-ru-continued/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;next post&lt;/a&gt; further analyzes this and other biases in both of us.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I claimed that it was a &#8220;cheap shot&#8221;, and you know exactly what that means (again using your  technique of &#8220;I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re saying&#8221; to signal low regard). As stated, &#8220;<i>doctors factually are far down the chain in the etiology of nosocomial infections, having far less personal contact with patients than that of hospital employees.</i>&#8221; Even if your bias convinces you that the story is true, it is not &#8220;<em>relevant to (your) post</em>&#8221; because it doesn&#8217;t accurately illustrate anything about nosocomial infections, and serves only to further your bias that doctors are arrogant individuals. You would like to hear from others because you are anxious to employ <b>confirmation bias</b>, instead of examining the bias that is already obvious. The <a href="http://drchip.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/bias-on-the-hoof-hanson-and-ru-continued/" rel="nofollow">next post</a> further analyzes this and other biases in both of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I passed on a story from a personal contact I trust.  This doesn&#039;t guarantee its accuracy, but suggested to me it was more likely true than not, and it was relevant to my post.  You claim that my doing so was &quot;cheap&quot; (whatever that means) and that you know so much about hospitals that my story is &quot;almost certainly untrue.&quot;  I don&#039;t really know your reliability on such things to judge how much weight to give your claim.  So I guess I&#039;d like to hear from other people who have worked in hospitals on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I passed on a story from a personal contact I trust.  This doesn&#8217;t guarantee its accuracy, but suggested to me it was more likely true than not, and it was relevant to my post.  You claim that my doing so was &#8220;cheap&#8221; (whatever that means) and that you know so much about hospitals that my story is &#8220;almost certainly untrue.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t really know your reliability on such things to judge how much weight to give your claim.  So I guess I&#8217;d like to hear from other people who have worked in hospitals on this.</p>
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		<title>By: retired urologist</title>
		<link>http://drchip.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/disagreements/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>retired urologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin Hanson:

&lt;em&gt;mysteries exist in the map, not in the territory.&lt;/em&gt;

Ask someone whose opinion you respect, and whom you consider to be a rational thinker, to read the post; see if it seems unclear to them. You have a habit, in your comments on Overcoming Bias, of saying comments are unclear to you, using that statement as a way to signal your low regard for the writer (or the comment). You are demonstrating what Michael Shermer describes as the reason extremely intelligent people find it so difficult to recognize their own biases or beliefs in weird things: their intelligence makes them much better at defending their biases, both to themselves and to other, perhaps less intelligent, people.

This post is exactly what you requested in your original post: an examination of a disagreement, using your own questions. I would think you would be pleased that someone cared enough to do it, and give you free subject-matter for your book.

Most of all, I am pleased to see that, after reading the post, you feel we have no disagreement. I assume that means we agree about the situation as I have stated it: the story was a cheap-shot, unworthy of the rest of your analysis, and almost certainly untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin Hanson:</p>
<p><em>mysteries exist in the map, not in the territory.</em></p>
<p>Ask someone whose opinion you respect, and whom you consider to be a rational thinker, to read the post; see if it seems unclear to them. You have a habit, in your comments on Overcoming Bias, of saying comments are unclear to you, using that statement as a way to signal your low regard for the writer (or the comment). You are demonstrating what Michael Shermer describes as the reason extremely intelligent people find it so difficult to recognize their own biases or beliefs in weird things: their intelligence makes them much better at defending their biases, both to themselves and to other, perhaps less intelligent, people.</p>
<p>This post is exactly what you requested in your original post: an examination of a disagreement, using your own questions. I would think you would be pleased that someone cared enough to do it, and give you free subject-matter for your book.</p>
<p>Most of all, I am pleased to see that, after reading the post, you feel we have no disagreement. I assume that means we agree about the situation as I have stated it: the story was a cheap-shot, unworthy of the rest of your analysis, and almost certainly untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://drchip.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/disagreements/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awful lot of &quot;ink&quot; spilled to declare your &quot;disagreement&quot; when you aren&#039;t actually very clear what your claim is you think I disagree with.  I fully acknowledge that stories told by friends can be in error.  Do you claim no one should repeat such a story?  I really don&#039;t know what you think we disagree about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an awful lot of &#8220;ink&#8221; spilled to declare your &#8220;disagreement&#8221; when you aren&#8217;t actually very clear what your claim is you think I disagree with.  I fully acknowledge that stories told by friends can be in error.  Do you claim no one should repeat such a story?  I really don&#8217;t know what you think we disagree about.</p>
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